SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:16 Sat Jan 10
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital
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It's too late to argue and your correct use of 'moot' has left me in such a state of relieved admiration that I am in danger of voting Green.
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inconsistant fc
3:14 Sat Jan 10
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That's surely a moot point because this company that took on Hinchingbrooke have basically admitted that the demand is too great. The demand being too great is not the fault of the public sector any more than it is of the private.
What annoys me is that people think that just because universal services are privately run that automatically means a better job will be made of it and then it is expected that the state intervenes when AN Company realises it has bitten off more than it can chew.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:08 Sat Jan 10
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inconsistant fc 3:06 Sat Jan 10
'In this case, the AN Private Co will drive costs up as the competitive market will ultimately dictate that anyone who wants the best care will have to be able to afford it.'
You think that the rules of supply and demand are different in the health sector than in every other sector of the economy?
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inconsistant fc
3:06 Sat Jan 10
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It's not a bad thing, if it is proven to be a better alternative to a public run health service, which this isn't,
In any case, private companies will run any aspect of care as a business and companies ultimately answer to profit. That is surely obvious to anyone. Take care homes, I know from having worked in a Local Authority that LA run homes provide more training for staff because it does not cost them to do so and they are not worried about the margins.
In this case, the AN Private Co will drive costs up as the competitive market will ultimately dictate that anyone who wants the best care will have to be able to afford it. Perhaps this is an ideological difference but I believe that is wrong.
A lot is made about taxpayers money funding a "failing NHS" but it would be interesting to see how much the government spent on arranging the tender for this only to see the company that has taken it on admit defeat because they have the same problems that are faced by a publicly run NHS. I at least hope that Circle will be footing the bill for their failure and not expecting government and, by extension, the taxpayer- to make up any shortfall.
"The mantra that private contractors 'put profit before quality of healthcare'is nonsense. Private operators are transparently out to make a profit so all that is needed is to link their profits to the quality of care they provide."
If you were to undertake a quick google of Care Home scandals over the last 10 years, I would expect that a large number of the homes involved are privately run.
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Infidel
2:45 Sat Jan 10
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I would love to hear from one of the resident Lefties on here a cogent argument against allowing private contractors to run hospitals.
Why is this such a bad thing? As long as patients are being treated why does it matter what the form of ownership of the hospital is?
It is already the case that GPs are private contractors to the NHS.They bill the NHS for the services they provide and many offer private consultations on the side.
Chemists are also private shopkeepers, again billing the NHS for fulfilling prescriptions.
Nobody seems to be claiming - as far as I am aware - that the privatisation of doctors and chemists is unacceptable.
The mantra that private contractors 'put profit before quality of healthcare'is nonsense. Private operators are transparently out to make a profit so all that is needed is to link their profits to the quality of care they provide.
And they could hardly do a worse job than the NHS today,which is an appalling, wasteful, useless bureaucracy that routinely kills the patients who commit themselves to its care.
All the hospitals should be privatised and the NHS broken up. Private contractors would do a much better job and at much lower cost.
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inconsistant fc
2:44 Sat Jan 10
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"Labour bitching about this is like an drunk moaning they're hungover.
It was their deal not the evil vicious Tories."
Labour didn't award the contract to this Circle mob. Said Circle mob have since proved they did not know what they were getting themselves into. You can draw your own
conclusions from that (as I have) but those are the facts.
FWIW, this appears to me as a failure for the government in trying to prove that the public sector is shiny and can run everything better whilst making a profit and purporting to encourage competition. The fact they won't touch it with a shitty stick says to me that they will have the same struggles as are happening at the moment but Circle are in the fortunate position of being able to bin it off if they don't fancy it.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:19 Sat Jan 10
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Hammer and Pickle 2:05 Sat Jan 10
You think 'in awe of' is an Americanism? Gracious!
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gph
2:08 Sat Jan 10
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Hermit: You didn't say they were the only bidder, true.
But it's still a matter of fact that that they were the only bidder for the last year of the process, which would have been entirely pointless if the Government couldn't get out of it.
Presumably, from your reaction, you didn't know they were the only bidder, which makes your vehemence about lying, which you'd expect to stem from expert knowledge, somewhat risible.
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Hammer and Pickle
2:05 Sat Jan 10
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Cut the yank bitch shit.
Cunt.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:03 Sat Jan 10
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I'm certainly in awe of it.
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Hammer and Pickle
1:58 Sat Jan 10
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All you do is admire it, right?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:51 Sat Jan 10
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Your stalkiness is strong tonight.
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Hammer and Pickle
1:40 Sat Jan 10
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:37 Sat Jan 10
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, 1:32 Sat Jan 10
That isn't the meat of it at all. Without meaning any disrespect to its poster, hardly anyone has discussed the OP since it would be a dull old thread.
Company pulls out of business it can't turn a profit in - dull.
Government selects rubbish contractor - dull.
The squabble is about whether this is evidence of a Tory intention to privatise the NHS. Clearly it is no such thing.
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,
1:32 Sat Jan 10
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8games this Tories are evil shtick is getting a bit much now. Stick to th meat of this and let's discuss why a private company assessed and bid of its own free will and then bailed out early doors.
It's like a mantra and kills reasonable debate. Your default position used to be sensible.
Improve for chrissake.
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After8
1:26 Sat Jan 10
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Labour bitching about this is like an drunk moaning they're hungover.
It was their deal not the evil vicious Tories.
also most lefties would have us believe Thatcher was evil. IF she was so evil then surely we'd have privatised all the hospitals years ago?
We've had another five years to privatize the hospitals and we still haven't.
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Mr Polite
1:19 Sat Jan 10
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I do well out of the NHS struggling so long may it continue.
Yours sincerely,
Selfish Bastard
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:10 Sat Jan 10
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I see we are on to schools now. And cancelling stuff that couldn't be paid for.
Your point regarding the NHS is?
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overbyyer
12:41 Sat Jan 10
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero wrote...
Re: Circle to withdraw from their contract to run Hinchingbrooke Hospital
Why do I have to?
By the way, are you suggesting it's OK for governments to just break agreements, willy-nilly?
You seem to be outraged by the Tories carrying out a Labour policy. I can understand your general crossness, but to posit this as evidence of the Tories wanting to nationalise the NHS in the face of Labour opposition, as Labour and their supporters are attempting to do, is crass.
I suggest you refer to actual history, not just your own selective recollections.
One of the first things the coalition cancelled was a programme of schools developments under the Buildings Schools for the Future (BSF) programme.
Councils and Local Education Authorities up and down the country had their projects stopped, virtually overnight. They were in various stages of development, several of which had reached Preferred Bidder stage, costing both the developers and the LEA's millions in abortive costs.
Some of the schools had long since stopped spending money on the maintenance of their existing schools, as they were proceeding, in good faith, with an assumption that the money would be better spent on the new facilities.
Many had no option but to take the government department to court in an attempt to push through projects.
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Hermit Road
12:14 Sat Jan 10
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gph 8:17 Fri Jan 9
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So what was the point of the year-long process assessing Circle when they were the only remaining bidder, Hermit?"
I didn't say they were the only bidder.
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Hammer and Pickle
11:04 Fri Jan 9
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Is this thread the new magic cure for insomnia?
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